Supergirl Season 2: Divisive Fan Groups

Mon El is going to tear the fandom apart. It's only going to get worse as the season continues.

The myopic focus on this character and his relationship with Supergirl has altered the basic dynamic of the show.

However with full respect to the Administrators, I will not continue the debate here in a thread intended to foster peace. If you wish we may start a new post and talk it out in a civil manner.

Stop thinking in terms of who ships who. It's all about the screen time. He's rapidly becoming the second lead. I don't want to see more Alex and Maggie, I want to understand why Mon El has become so vital to this series.

Wasn't talking about a ship war. I'm saying he's good character. I liked him long before he was a romance interest.

Note: I have not looked at the responses to my comments yesterday (well, yesterday for me).

However, I'd like to add a point and a suggestion. To a lot of the Kara-Mon El shippers and us who feel nostalgic for the good old season 1, the issue has been how peripheral Kara has been to other storylines going on in the season. At least, the past couple of episodes have been Kara-centred and that is one good thing that I found about it.

If the writers had worked to make an integrated storyline keeping Kara at the centre of it all, and taking some time to do it instead of wanting everything yesterday, then I think the show would have been well-served. This could also improve the Mon El storyline.

Note: I am not changing the premise of the story and instead working with the premise we have in Season 2. (Of Aliens having been on Earth for a long time, local cops knowing about it and so on).

Make, new characters like Maggie and M'gann's first point of entry into the group be Kara. Easy enough considering Kara wants to be a reporter. Cop and bar tenders--excellent sources and points of contention if you ask me. The fightclub just adds to it if the storyline was changed to dilute J'onn's and Alex's direct involvement there.

Let J'onn and Alex be peripheral to these stories. and make the interactions there come slowly. So, basically, have Kara invested in these characters based on her own direct interactions, rather than as Alex's love interest or J'onn's blast from the past.

With Mon-El, let Alex and J'onn, with Winn helping, work on dealing with him and his training. Yes, I know, when we have superpowered Alien who can identify with him at hand (and share a star with him at hand), why go for Alex and J'onn and Winn. Well, Alex is a geneticist. It makes it natural for her to do tests on him. Besides she trained Kara. Even without the Kryptonite training room, I am pretty sure the science experts at DC could have found a way for her to do the same with Mon El. And Kara remaining away could be reasoned by both her prejudices due to her childhood, her pain about her own loss which Mon El remains a stark reminder of (all of which was solved in 1 episode), and of course her new reporter duties.

Let Mon El remain the palace guard instead of the Prince or anyone powerful. However, show him struggling with Earth stuff, especially owing to his conservative background (other than his flings, we saw this only the last episode) but also because his whole world was taken away from him. But, show him actually getting impacted and struggling; and improving; but also show that Kara's prejudices have been unjust from Kara's point of view. He could have his funny moments even in this case.

This should be peripheral by the way and not take up the entire time.

I'd leave most of Kara-Lena as is, but would like it if Lena had more interactions with Alex thanks to Cadmus.

In James' case, I'd prefer if he managed change from his position as Cat Co head. But, if the powers that be think that that makes him far removed from the young crowd (I don't agree, but be that as it may), then arrange a situation where he feels really powerless and it makes sense for him to take up arms. Not Kara getting injured or being in a battle because when you consider the power differential that doesn't make sense. But, someone like Eve or a lay person on the street getting hurt, James couldn't do anything, and Supergirl couldn't help because she was busy elsewhere.

And... don't let him blackmail Winn in helping him; or expect that he would get Kara's agreement right away and feel betrayed and injured when she doesn't give him that. And let him not bring up news pieces on himself and his heroism to Snapper.

Let Kara report on these things; on Guardian, on the changes in Alien society owing to both the Alien Amnesty Act and Cadmus (Maggie could work with her here); and of course the big bad of the episode.

And finally, let all of these struggles emerge in parallel with the big bad of the season. Cadmus.

Let that be the thread that ties everything together. So, even James' struggles would be happening in tandem with this.

And with all this going on--let us have (and this is a personal thing, I'd like it)--sister nights or touchbases continue. See Season 1. It's not just the movie nights; it is also walking to Noonan with Kara; having breakfast there with Kara; supporting Kara with every fight; talking to Kara about Cat Grant's article. This season, when have we seen Alex discuss anything but either of their love life with Kara. How about Kara's first article in print? Alex could have teased Kara about it. Shown pride. Told her to go to bars--in fact, that could have been their first meeting with M'gann with Kara taking it forward and Alex supporting.

OH! And let the game nights continue too; not every episode but at least once in the first half hey? Let Alex, James and Winn interact (one of my best additions this season has been Alex-Winn interactions). As in, when James decides to do his thing, he could come to Alex for help. It could be shown instead of just that single moment or two used for comic effect during Thanks Giving and all that.

It would have taken a couple of seasons or more to do it slowly and with the justice it deserves. But, the show wouldn't have divided it fandom into gay people and people who support POC and women and all that.

Right now, M'gann is not there, but when she was there, she was most important to J'onn with her rarely if ever interacting with Kara or Alex. With Maggie, everyone takes her as the gay sister's lover. Which makes most people but the LGBT and the folks who like romance disinterested in that storyline. She should have been Kara's cop friend and the one Alex gets into an argument (may be owing to her protectiveness regarding Kara) first before becoming Alex's girlfriend. And with Mon El, Probably, the showrunners and people who like him see him as Darcy (Pride & Prejudice), but to others, he seems to be a polished Reggie (Archies). With James, to his supporters, he is a hero, but to his detractors, he seems too much like one who likes spotlight a lot rather than one who is genuinely concerned about the state of the world. Lena interacts only with Kara and it says something for both the actors that almost the entire audience is invested in her story (if not the shipping) despite some lacks.

Okay... I am done! If you read so much from me; thank you.

If I have offended/hurt anybody, let me know, and I will keep that in mind in future; and try to do better.

Oh... and keep romance far away--making what Kara said to James actually true--at least for a time. And honestly, I'd prefer they go back to Kara/James provided James remains a relatable character. And even then, let all romances remain periphery with Alex-Kara, Alex-Kara-J’onn and the Kara-Winn-James friendships of season 1 remaining the core of the show. It can expand, but let friendships remain the core.

Yeah besides Guardian I'm pretty much either positive or neutral about all aspects of the show.

Yyeeaahhh... Once I got called "f'ing 'c' word" several times by a certain "crew" for simply sayin to the writers, "Alex and Winn were hilarious tonight," I learned REAL quick to not participate.

Being in Mountain Standard time, I use to watch an hour after eastern/central time, then REwatch on DVR while it was being played on West coast just to be able to follow with the west coast tweets. Buuuutttt... I stopped this season since these new fandoms arose.

As an additional practical issue, last season it would have been far more difficult to have divisive subfandoms, because the number of characters who were prominent was less. In the pilot, other than Kara you might have had Miss Grant fandom (continuing character) or Vartox fandom (self-liquidating). The authors are moving toward a show with interwoven threads as opposed to Supergirl finds target. Supergirl smites target, so now there can be gentle readers who want one thread or another to get more air time and interviews.

Readers who were around in Fall 2015 will nonetheless remember that we had some really vigorous disputes on these pages.

So is there a solution to this?. It seems most of the arguments/wars are over relationships, could they write an entire season (Season 3) without any relationships and focus on work/family and friends or are relationships such an essential part of filling out the time of an episode?.

I know it was a different time but if I think back to 70/80's Superhero shows like Wonder Woman, The Bionic Woman, The Six Million Dollar Man and The Incredible Hulk, they ran for multiple seasons without too much romance/relationships and were pretty much focused on their titular heroes all the time without the need for a big team behind them and additional heroes. Maybe Supergirl in Season 3 can get back to the Main 5 of Supergirl, Alex,MM, Winn and James.

Just a few ideas to throw out there anyway and discuss.

Well, i don't quite agree with you. I remember Wonder Woman having a "thing" with Steve Trevor ... both of them .
Jaime Sommers it was the long love story with Steve Austin and Chris Williams (season 3). Steve Austin with almost every woman that came in.
Hulk ok, it's like a real connection with all his pants that poor guy !

But i don't mind about the relationships, it's what people are doing with it the problem. The new characters are great, even if some aspect of the show has evolve without all the great things that made season 1, i'm curious to watch every week episode because the changes are cool for most of them.

One thing i've learn with the show runners, is that they always have plans (good ones)

seems chyler is speaking up to fans as well here are a couple tweets from her

tweet 1


tweet 2

basically with in 24 hours of each other. I'd say she is a little low key disappointed

Please don't conveniently confuse those who are critical of writing choices on the show with those who spend their time attacking celebrities (for a variety of reasons apparently) on social media.

Please don't conveniently confuse those who are critical of writing choices on the show with those who spend their time attacking celebrities (for a variety of reasons apparently) on social media.

Hi, Lindy. Please explain further so we can fully understand your concerns.

I don't think the admin and many of us in this thread are concerned with people being critical of writing choices. I believe what the concern is, we've seen a huge spike in fandoms venomously attacking others who disagree with them, fandoms venomously making fun of other fans not in their "group," as well as us seeing a huge spike in tweets and comments throughout social media that are just plain coarse and vulgar. And thus, we've been seeing a major split widening in the Supergirl fanbase, which has been disheartening to witness, especially since the Supergirl fanbase use to be very inclusive, welcoming, and "one team" oriented.

Please don't conveniently confuse those who are critical of writing choices on the show with those who spend their time attacking celebrities (for a variety of reasons apparently) on social media.

If you are speaking in reference to my post, it actually had nothing to do with the complaint of screen time itself, that was simply what I was responding to with my reply tweet to them...it was their reaction, and reaction of others that I was referring to. If people don't like Mon-El and don't like the ST being given to them, that is their opinion, but I think that I and others should be able to give our opinion as well, or simply make a comment as I did should be able to be given without a comment back that in some cases are very rude, very crude, and very unacceptable in a normal conversation between two people. ANY thing that I have spoken of in this thread is the reactionary replies on Twitter that I am seeing from "groups" of people, not because of their opinion, but their reaction to people who do not share their opinion. That's all.