Supergirl Season 4 Hypothesis

Honestly, I am not excited to hear that they're doing another Superman story for Supergirl. At times it feels as though the producers/writers would rather be doing a Superman story but, don't have the rights so they're settling on Supergirl but, using his stories.

I've heard bits and pieces about Red Lantern Supergirl but, I don't know the entire background. The problem that I foresee with doing any story that originated in the comics, rather it be for Supergirl or Superman, are the complaints that I often see from comic book fans that the story didn't follow the true path taken in the comics. Or that they didn't do it as good. Or that that character wasn't in it. To me, it would be like reading a book before watching a movie made about the book. You know the ending and it's never as good as it was in the book. I know that there isn't a wealth of material in the comics about Supergirl but, I really don't know why they don't create their own stories for her. Television shows and movies, I think, are the modern day "comic books". I would love to see some creative, original ideas developed for Supergirl on the show.

@Kdogg - I really like your ideas, except I would have had the team, Alex, James and Sam all help out because, of course, no one person can do the job of Supergirl . I know it would have been a bit darker but, that ending would have meshed so much better with the way the first half of the season was set up.

@Kdogg - I really like your ideas, except I would have had the team, Alex, James and Sam all help out because, of course, no one person can do the job of Supergirl . I know it would have been a bit darker but, that ending would have meshed so much better with the way the first half of the season was set up.

I appreciate the props. I agree, they would be supporting Sam, in my version. During our super long hiatus, I had a time to think about how I would personally like the season to wrap. Those first 9 episodes were so dark, and whenever I'm writing, I like to use what they've done as a base, instead of going full-on fan-fiction. Then I like to see how much I was correct about.

I was nowhere near correct about this season...which, cool, i didn't predict it. But man, the back half of the season lost so much momentum and potential. I love this show and will watch to the end because I'm a lifelong Supergirl fan, and I love Melissa in the role. But I can't say I was particularly happy with episodes 10-forward. I thought 10, following the truly epic Reign fight, should have had more time where we truly wonder if Kara was going to be okay, perhaps picking up RIGHT after the fight. I would have liked to see each character individually visit Kara in some sort of hospital bed, expressing their feelings and fears to her as she's comatose. Especially Alex. I mean...Kara getting beat like that was the first time she truly seemed vulnerable, outside of Kryptonite. And I can see that scaring the crap out of Alex and the rest of Kara's friends, leaving some emotional scars. Maybe have some stifled emotion from James as he tries to lie to Lena about where Kara is, knowing that Lena's friend is in critical condition and he can't tell her. Instead, they rushed forward, without really addressing anybody's emotions regarding Supergirl's defeat at Reign's hands. That had a great foundation for some really rich and emotional material, and squandered it.

Another thing is, throughout their first fight, Supergirl insists she's not afraid of Reign, despite being beaten and bloody. She even says that in her coma dream, I believe. I think a much stronger moment would have been her having to acknowledge her fear before truly being able to get the upper hand on Reign.

There were some really good back half episodes. I thought the Purity episode was really good, except Alex's hostility towards Purity being blamed on the breakup with Maggie was just stupid. It would have made MUCH more sense if the hostility was because she's afraid of more Worldkillers, and what they could do to Kara. Especially after seeing what just one of them, alone, did to Supergirl.

The Pestilence and Trinity episodes were also strong. As were the Argo portions of "Dark Side of the Moon" and "Not Kansas". But man, the side plots were terrible.

I think, truly, the biggest problem of the season is that they rushed some stories and elements they really should have taken their time on and fleshed out, and in their place stuffed in some really haphazard side plots or one-off episodes.

EDIT: Back to the concept of next season:

I'm optimistic. I really am. I did NOT see the other Kara coming. That was a pleasant surprise. I think Brainy will be a fantastic addition. He might even bring back some of the same dynamic Kara and Winn had in season 1, carrying a bit of a crush on her. Character descriptions for new characters give us some insight that we'll have more time spent at Catco, which is great. I love seeing Kara as Supergirl, but I feel she was barely ever "Kara Danvers" in the last quarter of the season.

As for this "Red Son", or rather, "Red Daughter?" storyline. It won't be ripped straight from comics. They, by necessity, will have to create an original story, which is a good thing. It reduces comparison to the comics, a bit. Red Son Superman was not a clone, or a Black Kryptonite split-off of the normal Superman. It was an Elseworlds tale. So seeing what really becomes of this new Kara, and how it will effect the original version, is exciting. I would like them to make Kara reflect on the consequences of her (super impulsive) time travel. She saved 3 lives, but created another seemingly-evil Kryptonian in the process. And if this new Kara goes the evil route, and takes lives...I would like to see that weigh on Kara's conscience, as the consequences of Barry's meddling with time weighed on his. I highly doubt they'll go the Red Lantern route, because that would necessitate incorporating the Green Lantern mythos...which is just too much for this show. But having the new Kara be some sort of Red Son equivalent...maybe almost a homegrown Overgirl who's creation is directly our Kara's fault...that could make for some really interesting storytelling.

Breaking News: via David Harewood's instagramstory...

"I have not left Supergirl. I have simply left the DEO. I will still be in every single episode. But iin won't be in that black DEO gear anymore."

With the discussion that Chris won't be returning anytime soon, been thinking.... Since he won't be with Mon-El, I'm assuming Winn will be returning with a different Legion member. I'm not as comic book literate as some of y'all on here. So... is there a Legionaire that's associated with either the Red Son or Red Lantern storyline...that would make sense to return with Winn Season 4 for a bit?

This is not exactly comparing apples and apples, but I did spend a 40+ year career writing product instruction manuals and planning product introduction materials, so here's my perspective on some of the production issues. I tend to agree that paring down the cast will better focus the show, just by reducing the number of back-stories and secondary plot lines. But i also think the old adage that "there are too many cooks in the kitchen" applies. I know nothing about TV production, but in planning materials for a product intro one always creates a storyboard as step 1. I'm pretty sure they do that on Supergirl, for the entire season. As a second step, one assembles the team to work on the project. Each has their expertise, but it's very important that only one person is responsible for each piece. Otherwise you will get a piece that reads like it was written by a committee. As I see it, Supergirl has multiple writers, at least 3 editors (per Kevin Smith), and numerous directors. Each of these persons brings their individual opinions, style, emphasis, etc to the episode they are assigned. I think this structure may create lack of continuity. I don't mean to suggest that my work experience compares in scope with producing a TV show, but i do think there are some common factors, and if too many people are involved it can create a muddled message. Many times we have blamed the writers for a particular episode's faults, but it could just as easily be the director or editor who is responsible. So IMO reducing the numbers of some of these functions may help keep the season arc more on track. My 2 cents worth!

I wonder if the two Kara's are actually the same but from a different timeline. One who went to space to save the world and turn back time (she's the one in Siberia and she's lost/confused) and one that came back and changed the outcome. I was a big fan of the series Continuum and Kiera (?) Cameron **********spoiler alert if you haven't watch the series ********** Alex (?) goes back in time (a few hours) and they are left with two Alex and two Kiera's. Both of them are the same existing in different timelines. I don't know if what I'm saying makes any sense, time travel is quite confusing! ? I'm not familiar with the Red Son story from Superman so, maybe my theory is not what they're going with in season 4.

Breaking News: via David Harewood's instagramstory...

"I have not left Supergirl. I have simply left the DEO. I will still be in every single episode. But iin won't be in that black DEO gear anymore."

Perhaps he will start a mission to help the poor of National City. And perhaps Coville -- "you mean you didn't notice that I was asleep in the back seat of your car" -- will find redemption by joining him.

Something you said, KaraD, reminded me of something that caught my attention while watching...

So, Kara slides on Mon-El's Legion ring, then goes back in time... Correct? Unlike what Superman did in the original movie--spinning the Earth backwards to roll back time--Kara went through a worm hole. So, wouldn't that mean Kara was replacing herself in Reign's grip. Right? So... check her finger. Shouldn't she still be wearing the Legion ring? And thus, Mon-El didn't have to give her one in the new timeline because she already should have one? But, she's not. And she doesn't. Soooo.... *thinking*...*turns the episode back on and goes back to the end to see if the Siberian Kara has the ring*.... Hold please... *enter elevator music here* ....Hmmm iiiiinteresting. Siberian Kara's left hand is covered. But, then again, the split doesn't happen till a few seconds later--after she stops Sam from restabbing Reign. So, my developing theory just fizzled. lol

As I see it, Supergirl has multiple writers, at least 3 editors (per Kevin Smith), and numerous directors. Each of these persons brings their individual opinions, style, emphasis, etc to the episode they are assigned. I think this structure may create lack of continuity. I don't mean to suggest that my work experience compares in scope with producing a TV show, but i do think there are some common factors, and if too many people are involved it can create a muddled message. Many times we have blamed the writers for a particular episode's faults, but it could just as easily be the director or editor who is responsible.

This is a very good point, Superbill. I know I have a tendency to blame the writers, but you're correct that there are many others involved who control the final product. I agree, too, that perhaps not only is the cast too large to handle but, also perhaps there are too many cooks in the kitchen.

I was a big fan of the series Continuum and Kiera (?) Cameron **********spoiler alert if you haven't watch the series ********** Alex (?) goes back in time (a few hours) and they are left with two Alex and two Kiera's. Both of them are the same existing in different timelines.

I just found that show a couple of months ago and binge watched it. It had some continuity flaws but, it was a good concept and I enjoyed it.

Are the two Kara's caused by her touching the rock and splitting her into two individuals or is it caused by her traveling back in time? I'm not positive which they are going with but, it would make sense that there would now be two Kara's caused by her traveling back in time. I've seen this happen not only in Continuum but, also in Agents of Shield. Kara left her timeline and went back, changing those events and finishing out that timeline. But, when she did that, there would have been two of her that existed at the same time, the one that came from the future and the one that was there currently. However, they didn't show that two existed in the fight against Reign so, my guess is that they're going to ignore that piece and go with the rock splitting her into two.

I see people are wondering if the time travel or the black kryptonite caused the split but i feel like it has to be the bk. Didn't Winn even say if Kara went through the disruption it would kill her? So I thought the original Supergirl died when she time traveled. I could be way off but i don't expect it to really even be mentioned next season. I think it was just used for Kara to realize the error of her ways and find herself again. I mean, she didn't even tell anyone she used the Legion ring, right? I don't think so since Mon-El called her victory "flawless". I guess he doesn't know he died for a few minutes lol.
Also, when Supergirl touched the black kryptonite we saw the black smoke come off the rock. Then we see the same black smoke in Siberia right before we see duplicate Kara.

I have to say, I am so excited for next season. I can't wait to see what happens with the two Kara's. I've definitely had some issues with the show these past 2 seasons but I willing to forgive it all if season 4 is going to be as good as they are setting it up to be. The focus back on Supergirl? Alex running the DEO and more Danvers sisters? Plus Brainy! There is a lot to look forward to.

Oh and from the original post, I would LOVE if the somehow included a red lantern SG! It's been one of my wishes for the show to do since the beginning.

BTW, I've been reading the site for a long time but this is my first time commenting so hello everyone

Ok. So. Question....

If they're going with Red Son/Red Daughter and nature vs. nurture... how's that concept gonna work? Wasn't she created when Supergirl, Reign, and Sam all touched the Hara Nel (spelling??) at the same time; and thus, the new Kara is already grown up and didn't actually grow up in Russia? Would it possibly mean the Hara Nel didn't split Kara or create a new Kara, but simply brought the new Kara from a different earth? Or... could this have actually happened from Kara's time travel?

Ok. So. Question....

If they're going with Red Son/Red Daughter and nature vs. nurture... how's that concept gonna work? Wasn't she created when Supergirl, Reign, and Sam all touched the Hara Nel (spelling??) at the same time; and thus, the new Kara is already grown up and didn't actually grow up in Russia? Would it possibly mean the Hara Nel didn't split Kara or create a new Kara, but simply brought the new Kara from a different earth? Or... could this have actually happened from Kara's time travel?

Good questions to which we don't have answers. I do think the Russian Kara is due to the haron el not time travel because we saw the smoke both when our Kara touched the haron el and when the second Kara appears. I'm trying to find a source but I seem to remember reading somewhere that Jessica Queller used the term "blank slate Kara". Total speculation but what if the second Kara is a clone created when our Kara touched the haron el and she has our Kara's core personality but no memories. Kinda like someone with severe amnesia.

A blank slate would make more sense. And thinking more about the interviews, a few of them mentioned it would be more of a slow burn type storyline. So, going on what you said, Brierrose, and with the idea that we won't see much of her story right away, maybe they're going to include her being... "programmed" for lack of a better term.

I think I was just wondering how the nature vs nurture idea would work--being I think of n vs n as a child development term, and she's definitely not starting as a child, as far as we saw. Thus, the only reason I questioned if it was tied to time travel some how. However it turns out, I'm excited to watch it unfold. Even more excited to see Melissa tackle it. Toss Alex into the mix...cool.

Welp... Getting a better look at the new suit today. Makes me now think of Winn's device he made for Supergirl and Superman to fight Metallo--to combat the Kryptonite. Also, I guess we now know it is a suite for our Kara.

Anndd... Is that Manchestor Black? Possibly going to be an antihero?? Either way, he's one of the characters I'm most excited for this season.

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Well, I'll be the first to admit that I'm not as tuned in as many here, but regardless of what may be floating around on social media etc, I'm just not buying that the producers would suit up Melissa in that atrocity. Yuck!

Well, I'll be the first to admit that I'm not as tuned in as many here, but regardless of what may be floating around on social media etc, I'm just not buying that the producers would suit up Melissa in that atrocity. Yuck!

When I took a closer look, there seems to be areas that perhaps get enhanced by CGI?

I think that suit is for the stunty only so they can get the crowd shots, the other cast shots etc and Melissa will film when she is available, maybe they superimpose her over that suit in a better costume? that looks like a dirtbike uniform so maybe it has a specific purpose on that scene.
Let's face it, this show does not have a good track record when it comes to costuming

It might be Kara but it is not Original Melissa cuz she ain't filming yet, so that's what I meant by it being maybe a stunt performer or cheap version of the suit for the stand in...I like Supergirl and Superman's suit, the rest were underwhelming, and did not like Mon-el's version, too puffy and his cap was oversized to the point it was distracting whenever he tried to walk (you could see the actor leaning far over like it made him off balance?). Don't get me started on Brainiac the Maniac's getup.

What the what! So I guess I was wrong because it appears to be our Kara in that suit. I can't wait to find out the story behind it.

I disagree that the show doesn't have a good track record when it comes to costumes. Kara's skirted suit is always highly rated among TV supersuits. Tyler's Superman suit was well received. Of the many complaints about Martian Manhunter his suit is not one of them. Mon-El's caped suit was great. I know some were disappointed in Saturn Girl and Brainy's Legion suits but I thought they were fine. I suspect the reason Mon-El had a more "comic accurate" suite while the others didn't is he was originally going to get his suit in season two, Chris Wood alluded to this, so they were able to pull that one out of wardrobe. I would have made one adjustment to Odette's Reign suit but Purity and Pestilence's suits rocked. I'll admit Cyborg Superman was a rare miss.

Of course it’s not Melissa in that suit. But the doubles have thier own skirted suits that are just like Melissa’s and they don’t normally put them in special suits for stunts. I believe there’s going to be a story behind that suit besides being a convenient way to film without Melissa.

I'm with Zoya on Brainiac's swing and miss. I think it might look better if they'd just tweak his hair. Saw a BTS picture of him where his hair style was more like his typical hair--more "unkempt" or more of a wind blown look. Just that change alone helped enormously.

Like Brierrose, I would have loved a few tweaks to Reign. The bottom half always reminded me of black dance pants on little girls. Maybe some more Arrow/Flash-esque leather parts added in, and less spandex.

But loved Superman, loved Overgirl, really like Alex's new suit (but her season 4 slick back dew has gots to go), Supergirl's suit is iconic, but I'm open for her getting a few suit additions (but, maintaining the ability to switch back to original), Lena needs some lab coats, and stoked to see Manchester Black. Hope he has the Union Jack incorporated in somehow.